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Vatican cardinal admits to
Africanveil, its just men sharing their pleasure not homosexuality
25 Mar 2009- Milan, Italy- Please
share with us a bit more on how life is like in the Vatican, who’s does the
woman’s role and who’s wearing the trousers.
Cardinal- It’s not easy to be in our position, life is
as normal as others except that there is a lot of commitment. Most people
outside must think that we are all gay, no, that’s not true, we do have
encounters with men but that does not make us gay.
Ndanji-
So how do you describe yourself?
Cardinal- I’m just a cardinal that’s committed his
life to God and does his work honestly in the Vatican.
Ndanji- Please tell us more about the practice of
homosexuality or what you call encounters in the Vatican.
Cardinal- Well personally I feel there is need for
everyone to have satisfaction at some point. We are men and we do have encounter
around. It’s not always practised within the Vatican.
Ndanji- So how do you meet these encounters?
Cardinal- It’s very easy, the world has changed so
much that the internet provides most of the information one would need when it
comes to meeting others. A lot of gay guys in Italy use internet, so that’s the
only way we get to meet up with our encounters via the internet.
Cardinal- I personally tend to go out of Roma, that
way it’s much safer and you don’t raise suspicions around. Milan is the best
city to go and explore with others and it’s more modern and easier when it comes
to meeting encounters. Most encounters in Milan are always prepared to take on
clients, so you don’t even need to go asking around.
Ndanji- Do you pay to these encounters every time
you meet them?
Cardinal- Yes, you must realise one thing, these guys
are always discrete about their clients. They are honest about it and they
become regular encounters. So just to make sure everything is all under control
you got to pay not only meaning that they keep their mouths shut, but
appreciating them that I can always feel free when I come to meet them again.
Cardinal- It also depends on what kind of service you
are getting too, some guys would offer you an hour and protected or unprotected
fun, that also depends on what you want and if it would be worth paying for.
Ndanji- Do you have unprotected sex with these
encounters?
Cardinal- Yes I do, I’m catholic, I end up paying more
for unprotected sex, and these boys offering that they know that they will make
more money on unprotected sex. It’s best to have it without condoms. I’m sure a
lot of men are aware about this and if you asked me if there were many cardinals
doing that I would say most of them do that because it’s only natural.
Ndanji- You are aware about STDs diseases not only
that, but also HIV/Aids, are you not concern about that when you are having
unprotected sex?
Cardinal- I’m very much aware about the epidemic, the
whole Vatican is well aware about it, but please you must also take into
consideration that, a man makes a decision by breaking the rules at times. I’m
sure even you have had unprotected sex before…, I’m not scared of that and I
have always tested negative all the time I have gone to have a check up.
Ndanji- Surely this must be a dangerous game you are
playing, you talk about change but yet you won’t use condoms even when you are
aware about the epidemic, don’t you think that’s being evil?
Cardinal- I might not know exactly how to answer that,
all I can say is that I’m catholic, you know how us catholics are when it comes
to condoms, I don’t believe in condoms, but if ever one of my encounters
suggests that I use condoms, I would respect that only because he has asked. I
would only carry one just in case my encounter asked, but these are regular
encounters I have and they are aware about most cardinals not using condoms.
Ndanji- So there must be a lot of homosexual
practice inside the Vatican isn’t it?
Cardinal- Well first of all, the entire outside world,
must also know that we are humans, we have feelings and we are bound to make
mistakes and learn from them. Answering to your question, homosexuality is
not practised, its just men sharing their inner feelings of their pleasure, but
if the outsiders want to call it a practice of homosexuality, that’s entirely up
to them.
Ndanji- So you mean to say the practice is the same
but it’s not called homosexuality?
Cardinal- Yes, one thing you will notice about
Italians, they are very much private about what they do especially when it comes
to sex. There are married men that do practice with other men, that does'nt make
them gay. You must also realise that not everyone at the Vatican has male
encounters, there are others that practice it with women too.
Ndanji- So what’s your advice to the young ones that
are coming to serve at the Vatican?
Cardinal- Let me tell you, these new comers, they are
well aware about the practices in the Vatican, its not that we have to teach
them no, they just have to find the ones that they would like to practice with
inside or practice it from outside. As long as they don’t practice it openly to
the public and turn the Vatican into a play ground they will be ok.
Interview by Ndanji Chola
For more info or comments please contact me
at ndanji@africanveil.org
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